S02E06 – Celebrating Bad Ideas at Fuckup Nights with Carlos Zimbrón

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[00:00:34] Episode 6, Celebrating Bad Ideas at Fuckup Nights with Carlos Zimbron

[00:00:39] In this episode of the Ideated Florian podcast we welcome Carlos Zimbron, founder of Fuckup Nights

[00:00:46] We discussed the global success of Fuckup Nights, a movement born from a casual barbecue and Mexico city

[00:00:53] The initiative now we're around 260 cities, promotes embracing failure as a universal learning experience

[00:01:00] Carlos highlights the importance of taking risks and adapting to change

[00:01:04] Emphasizing the movement organic growth driven by a supportive community

[00:01:09] The conversation also touches on challenges faced during growth and how to handle this

[00:01:14] Despite hurdles, the movement thrives with a focus on vulnerability and honest sharing

[00:01:20] Carlos concludes by envisioning the initiative's future, aiming to disappear as an organization

[00:01:25] when no longer needed, having successfully reshaped the global perspective of failure

[00:01:34] Welcome Carlos

[00:01:35] I've learned a lot from the invitation

[00:01:38] I'm so happy to be talking to you because you started something that really became successful

[00:01:42] By talking about things that are really not successful

[00:01:45] So there's a very interesting paradox

[00:01:47] I can introduce Fuckup Nights for it's probably more entertaining if you introduce Fuckup Nights

[00:01:52] And what is it?

[00:01:54] It's crazy that an idea that came from the concept of failure became now success

[00:02:02] First, it's kind of difficult to explain that all the time that we're having success to a failure

[00:02:08] But yeah, we started basically the idea came out in a barbecue

[00:02:13] We were kind of drunk one night, we were drinking some Mexican in the sky

[00:02:19] In Mexico City because in that time I was at an all 25th century, it's actually a whole day

[00:02:25] And we were like, you know, creating things and we are like these creative minds

[00:02:30] We're like with a lot of ideas and a lot of stamina and everything and trying to do whatever

[00:02:36] We were excited about it

[00:02:39] And we were in a barbecue, you know, that idea that came out after a couple of drinks

[00:02:44] And in that moment sounds like great ideas, but then they after

[00:02:49] They are not that good

[00:02:51] This one was a good idea and realized that we have potential projects in hands

[00:02:59] The day after in the hangover, you know, like talking about the day before

[00:03:04] And we were like, we have something here

[00:03:06] I don't know what exactly is but we have something here

[00:03:09] The idea actually was we came out with the name the same day of the barbecue

[00:03:15] That's why it was like so appealing because we already had, you know, like the whole concept in two seconds

[00:03:22] So we decided to try it between the five of us, we are five founders

[00:03:28] In that moment we decided just to share our own failures and try the concepts in a really small scale

[00:03:36] It was crazy how that moment was that we were super good

[00:03:41] It was like really funny

[00:03:43] I know, so kind of sad and empathetic

[00:03:47] And you know, like a lot of feelings came from the story of my friends

[00:03:53] You know, the friends that I knew from for a long time

[00:03:57] And it was the first time we were listening that stories from us

[00:04:01] So yeah, it was night

[00:04:04] So the idea is that of the fuck up now is that some person goes on stage

[00:04:10] And shares his failure is fuck up with a whole bunch of strangers

[00:04:15] In a five-ton minutes presentation

[00:04:18] Was that also the format that you thought about on that barbecue

[00:04:22] And that next day that you did a bit of a group of friends?

[00:04:24] Yeah, like after that, first experience of for not to fuck up nights, you know

[00:04:32] And we decided to create a format like immediately

[00:04:36] Because we had jobs, you know, like our daily ups

[00:04:41] So we decided to make it simple to keep it simple in the most extreme way

[00:04:48] And with your decides in format, you mentioned it was five minutes, five to ten minutes

[00:04:56] Really short period of time

[00:04:59] Then ten images and every image

[00:05:04] It wasn't a presentation, it was more like a guidance for your story

[00:05:09] Because we are here, we are storytellers in that way

[00:05:12] We are trying to share story

[00:05:14] And that images were like just helping the storytelling

[00:05:20] That was it, the first fuck up night we had

[00:05:23] We were trying to do a global movement in that moment

[00:05:27] He was just like one night in Mexico City

[00:05:32] That was our expectation in that moment

[00:05:36] And it became like a really great night with the people

[00:05:40] Really small events, you know, some beers in the side

[00:05:44] Projector, we insist a lot with friends to come

[00:05:47] Because the idea was like, what?

[00:05:50] I don't know, I don't think it's necessarily something that I needed my life

[00:05:54] You've got a lot of failures

[00:05:56] So it was kind of difficult but it was magical in that way

[00:06:00] Also like the people where they were super at the end of the night

[00:06:05] We're trying about the concept and the vulnerability

[00:06:10] The guitarists and everything

[00:06:12] Right, and what I find so amazing about your story is that

[00:06:15] It's not like you took months to come up with an idea

[00:06:18] It was just that there were some creative fluids involved

[00:06:23] And it's pretty bad, but immediately I didn't idea

[00:06:26] You had a concept, you had a name, fuck up night you next day

[00:06:29] You had a format for it

[00:06:30] So it went so quickly that people spent months and years finding an idea

[00:06:35] It almost seems like the idea found you

[00:06:37] Yeah, totally

[00:06:38] I think that was part of our success that we just made it

[00:06:41] And we didn't think about it

[00:06:43] And we didn't ask if it was a good idea to anyone

[00:06:46] You saw it right

[00:06:48] You know, of course a lot of problems came after

[00:06:52] When we became successful and we had more than

[00:06:57] 260 cities around the world

[00:07:00] That's a problem

[00:07:02] You know that idea that started, you know like really fast

[00:07:05] And you have to change everything and you have to adapt everything

[00:07:08] To really manage global movements and a company and everything

[00:07:13] To pass from that moment of 70 BT and over a

[00:07:17] Comment and to became something more formal and real

[00:07:22] Taking us from there, the just a brand name itself

[00:07:26] Fuck up nights

[00:07:27] There's a rebellious stone to it

[00:07:29] Was it also a deliberate choice or

[00:07:32] Let's just fuck it, the way it's just a fuck up

[00:07:35] Let's go with this or how did that sound

[00:07:37] Yeah, we were the name came so fast

[00:07:40] We didn't think much about it

[00:07:41] We liked it and we thought you was

[00:07:43] Punk enough for us in that moment

[00:07:46] It was kind of anti-establishment with some ways

[00:07:50] Yes, but we didn't think about that much

[00:07:53] We were just young people trying to create something new

[00:07:57] And you're a reverend and different

[00:07:59] And I think that's like the DNA of young people

[00:08:04] We followed that hunch and that feeling

[00:08:08] We was okay, we didn't think much about it

[00:08:11] And we have a lot of surprises after that

[00:08:15] When people have problems with our name

[00:08:18] Because at the beginning

[00:08:20] It was with our friends and it was okay for them

[00:08:23] Like it was cool actually

[00:08:25] But then we started talking or tried to work with

[00:08:28] Organizations, with corporations, with everything

[00:08:32] And we tried to launch or write a book with a editorial

[00:08:37] And it was a problem

[00:08:39] It became a problem

[00:08:41] Even in social media

[00:08:43] We have a lot of problems there with that

[00:08:45] We cannot use ads

[00:08:48] We cannot buy ads

[00:08:49] Because we have a sort in our name

[00:08:53] So we just re-branded screw up

[00:08:56] Yeah, and we don't like that

[00:08:58] But sometimes we have to avoid in any ways

[00:09:01] We just make it happen

[00:09:03] But at the beginning we didn't think much about

[00:09:05] The name was just like fun and cool

[00:09:09] So how many people did you start?

[00:09:11] And that's first, was it a group of five or six

[00:09:13] How many did you say it was?

[00:09:15] Exactly, we are five founders

[00:09:17] And we started the first probably one year and a half

[00:09:23] We were just like the five of us doing everything

[00:09:26] And trying to manage our daily jobs with side project

[00:09:31] Of course, we started growing as a team

[00:09:34] Okay, you take us through that

[00:09:36] How did that go from that casual hangout on a barbecue

[00:09:39] To now a few years later, global phenomenon

[00:09:43] Some of the highlights that this just shift

[00:09:45] To bigger venues, leap of faith towards internationalization

[00:09:49] First was Spain I believe

[00:09:51] How did it go?

[00:09:52] Yeah, I love to had a

[00:09:55] Better answer that puts me in super genius

[00:10:02] Super genius place

[00:10:05] It wasn't like that

[00:10:07] We just keep organizing events

[00:10:10] Keep organizing and organizing

[00:10:13] Because it was super fun

[00:10:15] And we had a really great time

[00:10:17] Every month, the last Thursday of every month

[00:10:21] And one day someone from Spain

[00:10:25] Grotto's an email and said, I read you in a blog

[00:10:30] He was Spain about your concepts

[00:10:33] We didn't know about the blog

[00:10:35] Someone just wrote that blog post

[00:10:38] Because he visited the band in Mexico City

[00:10:42] And this person in Spain, Grotto interested on the format

[00:10:46] She said, I went to bring the format to Spain

[00:10:50] And then we were like, wow, we have something here

[00:10:54] We have to answer her, we didn't know what to do

[00:10:58] In that moment, it was like a reality check

[00:11:02] And really a positive reality check

[00:11:04] You have something that is growing

[00:11:06] And you have to take care of it

[00:11:08] And you have to start making decisions about it

[00:11:12] Because it was a thing about just decide

[00:11:16] What we want to do, we want to keep it in our little party

[00:11:22] And Mexico City friends

[00:11:24] Or we want to take to the next level

[00:11:28] Next step

[00:11:30] And we decided to make a manual

[00:11:32] Like when it just in a Google Docs award document

[00:11:36] And we grow the manual and we put the rules

[00:11:40] Like what we want, where we are expecting

[00:11:42] And what we can give

[00:11:46] And it was like a kind of negotiation at the beginning

[00:11:50] With that person and with us

[00:11:52] It was a way to understand and put in paper

[00:11:56] What we are thinking about the project

[00:11:58] And what we want to do

[00:12:02] So we decided to make it free at the beginning

[00:12:04] And by using our logo and our name

[00:12:10] And that kind of things and the process started

[00:12:14] In that moment and grow a lot after that

[00:12:18] After that

[00:12:20] A lot of people we opened

[00:12:22] We did in that moment just to give you an idea

[00:12:26] In that moment we didn't have social media accounts for programs

[00:12:30] We start that and we communicate to the people that we are licensing

[00:12:34] In some way the concepts

[00:12:36] And you have a goal and intention that you had at that moment

[00:12:40] I mean, it can be realized if one person knocks on your doors

[00:12:44] And say hey I want to do this in Spain

[00:12:46] That you are immediately reacting like

[00:12:48] Hey if we can do this in Spain we can also do it in Italy

[00:12:50] You can also do it in the US in Australia

[00:12:52] Is that something that immediately crosses your mind and

[00:12:56] Or how did that come?

[00:12:58] Yeah, as an idea we didn't have

[00:13:00] Another inquiries from other cities

[00:13:02] But it wasn't an idea like how we are going to

[00:13:06] Now we are doing this, it's a question

[00:13:08] We are doing licensing or

[00:13:12] Now you think the word licensing in the moment we didn't

[00:13:16] Think about that in terms

[00:13:18] So yeah at the beginning it was like yeah could be something

[00:13:22] And before we start doing something about it

[00:13:26] The people that start communicating with us

[00:13:30] Like asking us for bringing the concept to their cities

[00:13:34] So the movement was faster than us people from well-a-hired Mexico

[00:13:38] From the river, from other cities, it makes it especially

[00:13:42] And then South America and then more Europe like after Spain

[00:13:46] A lot of people from Europe and at the end of the year we were in

[00:13:50] Around there is cities you know like amazing

[00:13:54] Yeah, yeah and how many cities currently host

[00:13:57] Forkopnites around 260

[00:14:01] Okay in 2019 we were in 300 cities

[00:14:05] But after pandemics it was like kind of

[00:14:09] Miss in that sense. Yeah definitely a change that happened then

[00:14:13] Do you also have then a perspective on

[00:14:17] Like culture around the world

[00:14:19] I've forkopnites different in

[00:14:21] Europe than they are in Latin America or in the US

[00:14:25] Or in the Middle East how does that differ?

[00:14:27] Yeah we realized that like at the beginning

[00:14:29] We were like photomniated perfect for Mexico

[00:14:31] You know it's it's a Mexican thing because

[00:14:35] Mexico is a really difficult country in terms of

[00:14:39] Is it strongly all the time you know

[00:14:43] Like as a as a Latin American country

[00:14:45] And we thought that in that terms

[00:14:49] But then we realized that it's not that failure

[00:14:51] It's transversal and universal

[00:14:53] And it's happening to all people around the world

[00:14:57] Even if you are like part

[00:14:59] You're from a rich country or you're from a poor country

[00:15:03] It doesn't matter like how to do with perspective

[00:15:05] How you understand the world and what are your expectations about

[00:15:11] Success for example

[00:15:13] Or a good life or a happy answer whatever

[00:15:15] So yeah we realized that every country

[00:15:19] When I have a very, very nationality

[00:15:21] Is gonna have a different perspective

[00:15:23] Even in Mexico

[00:15:25] It's not about only a country like in Mexico

[00:15:27] Are rich people and poor people

[00:15:29] And they have different point of views about how

[00:15:33] How failure is and that reflect on the

[00:15:37] Chapsers in every city

[00:15:39] Because probably someone from Taipei

[00:15:43] They have their own

[00:15:45] Contextual and cultural characteristics

[00:15:47] But probably he's very focused on text startups

[00:15:51] Because that's his background

[00:15:53] Right Taipei Taiwan that's hard to write

[00:15:55] Yeah exactly for example

[00:15:57] And he's gonna have focus on that kind of stories

[00:16:01] Yeah

[00:16:03] Because it's his person that has the license or that's his background

[00:16:07] And that's an interesting thing about Focusing that

[00:16:09] It's a concept that is super transversal

[00:16:13] You know like it's super horizontal

[00:16:15] So it's gonna accept every kind of industry

[00:16:19] Every kind of idea

[00:16:21] Because everyone has to something to share about

[00:16:25] Failure in every part of the world

[00:16:27] So yeah I think it's totally friend

[00:16:29] For example, it was like super interesting

[00:16:33] To find out that one of our most successful countries

[00:16:37] Was Germany at the beginning

[00:16:39] Germany

[00:16:41] I wouldn't expect that yet

[00:16:43] And if we need it or even when I am from Mexico

[00:16:47] So it was surprising and we understand that

[00:16:51] We understand that like failure is everywhere

[00:16:53] Basically and yeah failures everywhere

[00:16:55] But the openness and the willingness to talk about that

[00:16:58] And social stigma that goes with failure

[00:17:01] That's perceived differently in different cultures

[00:17:03] Yeah for example in Japan

[00:17:05] We don't have cities or licenses

[00:17:09] In Japan now

[00:17:11] Probably Tokyo was the last one a couple years ago

[00:17:15] But it's a difficult place to share failure

[00:17:19] Yeah for me I tried something and I failed

[00:17:23] Now it failed but I failed that the distinction

[00:17:27] Exactly and yeah like because of the culture

[00:17:31] And we had some people like

[00:17:33] Break people that try it and try to make a change about it

[00:17:37] But yeah it was difficult now

[00:17:39] I think the license is open

[00:17:41] I am not exactly sure but yeah that's interesting

[00:17:45] To an a license or to

[00:17:47] Okay

[00:17:49] I see on your LinkedIn that you know they only do fuck up nights

[00:17:51] But you also do other initiatives

[00:17:53] How important do you see it to just keep taking risks

[00:17:57] And to keep experimenting

[00:17:59] And you know and if you do that a lot

[00:18:01] You fail a lot because you try a lot

[00:18:03] Right how what's your perspective on that

[00:18:05] Yeah like

[00:18:07] For me it's the way I live

[00:18:09] Experimenting and trying new things

[00:18:11] And you say

[00:18:15] Making taking risks

[00:18:17] Yeah like sometimes I didn't see the risks

[00:18:21] And that's kind of a limited of a problem

[00:18:23] That it's better when you are like more aware of the risks

[00:18:27] But I have another initiative to have a coordinating space

[00:18:31] Also used to had a

[00:18:33] I have an architect so

[00:18:35] I had an architect or studio

[00:18:37] And back in the day before I started this position

[00:18:39] I see you in full of minds

[00:18:41] I was just painting

[00:18:43] I used this side to take time for me and my painting

[00:18:47] And this this picture is not mine

[00:18:49] I was going to ask you about the painting

[00:18:51] We are in your bag

[00:18:53] No no no no no no

[00:18:55] Have you been doing a podcast so the

[00:18:57] The listeners can't see it but it's very nice painting

[00:18:59] If I

[00:19:01] Not a little mind

[00:19:03] Sadly but

[00:19:05] Is that like I was trying new different things because

[00:19:09] I don't know I consider myself as a creative person

[00:19:13] And I don't like when just

[00:19:15] Start your career

[00:19:17] Like your professional career

[00:19:19] Just study something

[00:19:21] Usually and I just decided to do the architecture

[00:19:25] But I feel that I don't like only architecture in my life

[00:19:29] I like all the things and I'm interested in all the things

[00:19:31] And sports in animal health

[00:19:33] In nature and I don't know

[00:19:35] If I can have something

[00:19:37] If I can work in something that is

[00:19:39] Interesting for me

[00:19:41] That's better and that's why

[00:19:43] I always train something new

[00:19:45] Or

[00:19:47] Or even when I have more stable position like this

[00:19:51] I always thinking in my head

[00:19:53] Like what's an egg move

[00:19:55] Even when that move it's going to be like

[00:19:57] I don't know

[00:19:59] I'm taking this risk

[00:20:01] But it's because I'm taking this risk

[00:20:05] Because I want to explore myself

[00:20:07] I don't know since

[00:20:09] It's not necessarily a business risk

[00:20:11] I

[00:20:13] The problem that I have is that I always try to

[00:20:15] Make a business about my passions

[00:20:17] And that's kind of difficult

[00:20:19] For fuck up nights

[00:20:21] For the courking space

[00:20:25] I have more like a cultural space

[00:20:27] It's not

[00:20:29] It's more like a

[00:20:31] Cultural focus space

[00:20:33] So those are my passions

[00:20:35] And I try to make that a living

[00:20:39] That's why I always taking risk in that way

[00:20:43] How do you see

[00:20:45] In my notes

[00:20:47] I have a line that says

[00:20:49] The failure of not starting at all

[00:20:51] If you start something you can feel it

[00:20:53] But if you don't start anything that's also failure

[00:20:55] That's the problem that you have

[00:20:57] Then I guess because you just start

[00:20:59] Yeah I always start

[00:21:01] And I have more failures

[00:21:03] You're more actual failures

[00:21:05] You know, than most of the people

[00:21:07] Because I started a lot of things

[00:21:09] And I'm okay with that

[00:21:11] I just realize that

[00:21:13] If you try more you're going to fail more

[00:21:15] And that's it

[00:21:17] It's statistics

[00:21:19] You know like it's

[00:21:21] You know, it's a lot of failure

[00:21:23] But if you don't try

[00:21:25] Also that feels more like a

[00:21:27] A lot of people

[00:21:29] Like just waiting

[00:21:31] And just not doing anything

[00:21:33] And they have a probably a boring

[00:21:37] Yeah, I think all the time about

[00:21:41] Starting a company or

[00:21:43] Starting whatever

[00:21:45] And they just stay there

[00:21:47] I think that failure

[00:21:49] Like it's bigger, you know

[00:21:51] It's it's it's it's it's it becomes like

[00:21:53] I don't know like kind of

[00:21:55] Difficult to understand but it's there

[00:21:57] It's like if you start something

[00:21:59] And that's that's something

[00:22:01] Feelth and that's something fails

[00:22:03] But if you don't start something

[00:22:05] You as a person the more effects on you are who you are

[00:22:07] And if you start a lot of things

[00:22:09] Do you also finish a lot of things

[00:22:11] Or do you have a lot of lingering projects?

[00:22:13] I have a lot of

[00:22:15] I love that

[00:22:17] A lot of those

[00:22:18] No like and the reason I'm asking is because

[00:22:20] I'm wondering if you see

[00:22:22] Like a project that you start

[00:22:24] And that you then don't finish

[00:22:26] Do you see like the abandoning

[00:22:28] Do you see that as a failure

[00:22:30] Or a more like a conclusion

[00:22:32] Like I started it. It is what this

[00:22:34] And I abended it and I move on

[00:22:36] That's just what it is or is that a failure

[00:22:38] No, it's a failure but I don't necessarily

[00:22:40] Take that as a negative thing

[00:22:42] I just it's an actual natural thing

[00:22:44] And it's part of our yoga

[00:22:46] For the 90s

[00:22:48] To take the concept of failure

[00:22:50] To more like an even part of the

[00:22:52] Conversation

[00:22:54] It's not negative, it's not positive

[00:22:56] It's neutral and it's there

[00:22:58] It's going to happen

[00:22:59] And that the way I take it

[00:23:00] So in that way it's interesting

[00:23:02] That I have like a

[00:23:04] Sorry

[00:23:06] I kind of took it back around

[00:23:08] Exactly

[00:23:10] That's a joy of recording podcast

[00:23:12] That things happen

[00:23:20] Future of work is flexible

[00:23:22] If you are being mandated to return to the office

[00:23:26] Fear not

[00:23:28] There are things that you can do to

[00:23:30] Create flexibility for yourself

[00:23:32] And there are things that you can do

[00:23:34] To prepare for the inevitable

[00:23:36] Flexibility that is coming your way

[00:23:38] Collaboration superpowers

[00:23:40] Helps people and companies

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[00:24:07] Yeah, so I think failure is more

[00:24:09] Like an even concept

[00:24:11] It's not like it's more a neutral concept

[00:24:13] Not negative, not positive

[00:24:15] That's why when I just finish

[00:24:17] Finish one thing or I don't finish something that I started

[00:24:21] I consider failure but in a positive way

[00:24:23] No way, in a way that it's going to help me

[00:24:25] Or in a way that probably I made someone through that process

[00:24:29] That it's going to help me in the future

[00:24:31] And also trying things

[00:24:33] It's part of like I'm an architect

[00:24:35] When you're like designer

[00:24:37] Any kind of designer

[00:24:39] The mistake is present in all the process

[00:24:43] So you're going to have a lot of mistakes

[00:24:45] You know, you have to try to understand that mistakes are natural

[00:24:49] And to find the different, I don't know

[00:24:53] Like 50 different shapes or building

[00:24:57] The 51 is going to be the one project

[00:24:59] 50 before it's not going to help

[00:25:01] And you have all the models there in your studio

[00:25:05] But a lot of architects like have a lot of lot to that process

[00:25:09] And they show off their models and their process

[00:25:13] And everything because it's important to have that mistakes to arrive today

[00:25:17] So they would want to be in my project, that's the same

[00:25:19] Very early in the interview

[00:25:21] You use the word katarsas

[00:25:25] Which is sort of a, I'll let you explain it

[00:25:27] But it means to you

[00:25:29] This warning if it helps you to deal with those abandoned projects

[00:25:33] And learn from them and move on

[00:25:35] What you're perspective from that

[00:25:37] The way he katarsas is

[00:25:39] When you put out something that you have a difficult process

[00:25:45] A difficult moment to process

[00:25:47] It's not only yours anymore

[00:25:49] You know, when you share something in public

[00:25:51] With your friend with your mother or partner

[00:25:55] Whatever is not only yours

[00:25:57] Now it's part of like, it's in the world

[00:26:01] It's outside in the world

[00:26:03] But because a big problem of not sharing failure

[00:26:07] The problem is only in your head

[00:26:09] It's not in other people's head

[00:26:11] Or they exchange it

[00:26:13] That you can have with with with other people about holding a problem

[00:26:17] But just to be vulnerable

[00:26:19] I know, but I think that out of your system

[00:26:23] I think it's that

[00:26:25] I think for me katarsas is like take that big weight

[00:26:29] From from you and put it in the world

[00:26:33] And it's not like you can see that actually from outside

[00:26:35] We don't have perspective

[00:26:37] And it's totally different

[00:26:39] I don't know like I meditate a lot every day

[00:26:41] Well, not a lot but every day

[00:26:43] And after I meditate I write

[00:26:47] I know ten minutes of writing

[00:26:49] And that helps me a lot

[00:26:51] Just to take out that my crazy

[00:26:55] Without sense thoughts in my notebook

[00:26:57] And now it's there

[00:26:59] And I can revisit it

[00:27:01] And I think that's a good exercise

[00:27:05] And that happens also with katarsas and with failure

[00:27:09] And with your problems, you know

[00:27:11] And how does that compare to the data

[00:27:13] You know social media, stories on LinkedIn

[00:27:17] If averse Instagram

[00:27:19] Everyone is always doing fantastic, phenomenal

[00:27:21] And they had such a great time

[00:27:23] And everything went perfect

[00:27:25] How does that compare to the benefits of

[00:27:27] Of the katarsas that's talking about?

[00:27:29] Yeah, well what happened in the book of nights

[00:27:33] It's the atmosphere

[00:27:35] That it's so different

[00:27:37] Like the people are there for

[00:27:39] Losing how about you fail

[00:27:41] And to clap for you about that

[00:27:43] So right, so it's a support of this community

[00:27:47] That is different

[00:27:49] Totally because when you write something

[00:27:51] Or share something in social media

[00:27:53] You don't know what's going to be the reaction

[00:27:55] Like you can have like a really good reaction

[00:27:57] From people or not like

[00:28:01] But in fuck up nights, you're there

[00:28:03] And the people are there to listen to you

[00:28:05] And not only to be sad

[00:28:07] You also have to be happy

[00:28:09] Or to laugh the expressions

[00:28:11] And the feelings that came out from failure

[00:28:15] Are totally diverse

[00:28:17] So yeah, the environment there

[00:28:19] It's very specific

[00:28:21] You know, it goes different

[00:28:23] From a like normal conference

[00:28:25] And also it's supportive

[00:28:27] I think we create that supportive community in that way

[00:28:29] And in the world of startups

[00:28:31] There's this thing called open startup

[00:28:33] Where you can not just talk about

[00:28:37] What you're doing, what you're playing

[00:28:39] You're failed that goes as far as your financials

[00:28:41] And usually with startups

[00:28:43] Is this how much money do they lose this month

[00:28:45] There's also a risk of oversharing

[00:28:47] You know where you do all on us about

[00:28:49] And not everyone will understand

[00:28:51] What you're doing

[00:28:53] And another thing will be shared

[00:28:55] Especially if you put it on video

[00:28:57] Or on post for social media

[00:28:59] Where that supportive community is not necessarily there

[00:29:03] How do you feel about that?

[00:29:05] Where does that stop? What is oversharing

[00:29:07] When are you to transparent?

[00:29:09] Well, yeah, I think of course

[00:29:11] Like when you're communicating

[00:29:13] And you're talking like the mental

[00:29:15] And then too now

[00:29:17] It's a way dynamic

[00:29:19] I think like that's why we create this format

[00:29:23] Short format because we try to make a summary

[00:29:27] In just ten minutes to share the important things

[00:29:31] And take out like the the crap in some way

[00:29:35] So just share the important things

[00:29:37] And after the event

[00:29:39] We create also a networking environment

[00:29:41] To share more or ask more

[00:29:45] To have these close conversation

[00:29:47] From the people that are actually interested in

[00:29:51] And I think that's that's the key part of communication

[00:29:55] Like someone that is interested in sharing

[00:29:57] And someone that is interesting or

[00:29:59] Listening and in social media

[00:30:01] That's not necessarily the case

[00:30:03] But you have your followers

[00:30:05] You follow with how the people that are interested in you

[00:30:07] And you are interested in sharing

[00:30:09] And that's how like you can manage that process

[00:30:13] But to fuck up night I think it's very

[00:30:15] Synthetic

[00:30:17] The talk service synthetic

[00:30:19] And we like that but then we open the conversation

[00:30:21] Through to networking

[00:30:23] Yeah, so it's a multi step process

[00:30:25] We're in the first step you broadcast

[00:30:27] Hey, this is the fuck up I had

[00:30:29] Which is basically an announcement of the talk

[00:30:31] Then you have to talk itself

[00:30:33] We're in broad strokes you explain what happens

[00:30:35] And then there's the networking

[00:30:37] And then there's the one on one

[00:30:39] Where you can go deeper and deeper

[00:30:41] Exactly. So then you also

[00:30:43] And adjust your openness to that community

[00:30:47] Everyone in the room and that one specific person you're talking with

[00:30:49] That makes a lot of sense

[00:30:51] That's good back

[00:30:53] To more your entrepreneurial side

[00:30:55] You've done a lot of these these fuck up nights yourself

[00:30:57] You're witnessed them around the world

[00:30:59] You've seen a lot of entrepreneurs fail

[00:31:03] If I go to the website of fuck up nights

[00:31:05] This like how do I get fired?

[00:31:07] Let's one section

[00:31:09] There's another section called

[00:31:11] Surviving entrepreneurship

[00:31:13] So it's definitely something that you have to survive

[00:31:17] I guess how do you see that surviving aspect of entrepreneurship

[00:31:21] You also mentioned it your own initiatives

[00:31:23] Where you say I and just going to do it without realizing a prompt

[00:31:28] I think like every kind of entrepreneur and they were

[00:31:33] Difficult

[00:31:35] No have their own difficulties

[00:31:37] And especially when like

[00:31:39] They are not the way you study

[00:31:43] Entrepreneurship

[00:31:45] It's not necessarily the most agile way

[00:31:49] You know like because you have business schools and whatever

[00:31:51] Those are like slow way

[00:31:55] So learning because the world is faster than that

[00:31:59] Especially in technology

[00:32:01] But so you are all the time

[00:32:03] Trying to realize what is the best way to manage your projects

[00:32:07] They process on your projects or your business model

[00:32:11] Or the brother you have or whatever

[00:32:13] And also have more and more and more

[00:32:15] Like all tons of competition

[00:32:19] Even when it's not your competition

[00:32:21] Direct competition like you have a lot of noise out there

[00:32:25] You are trying to shout and say something

[00:32:27] It's difficult to be heard from the audience

[00:32:31] So it's a constant struggling to become an entrepreneur

[00:32:35] Because you are like changing

[00:32:37] You are people tingle the time

[00:32:39] Seek sacking all the times

[00:32:41] That's why the words for inviting

[00:32:43] Works because it's not like a straight line that you are like

[00:32:46] Well, yeah, this is not the best but you are comfortable

[00:32:49] No, you are always like changing

[00:32:51] Changing sides and trying new different things

[00:32:55] And changing your concepts or whatever

[00:32:57] Like I don't know

[00:32:59] Always responding to your environment and what's going on

[00:33:01] What's happening? What's coming at you

[00:33:03] Totally totally and yeah at the end if you don't do that

[00:33:07] Your company your project whatever it's not going to survive

[00:33:11] Financially so yeah, I think it's I love trying something new

[00:33:17] And then I'm being an entrepreneur but I also is tiring like sometimes I

[00:33:23] Hey, when I just have like a normal yo

[00:33:25] Oh, you?

[00:33:27] Yeah, 9.5.0 and that's it

[00:33:29] It's going to be nice

[00:33:31] Yeah, yeah, it's been nice

[00:33:33] And do you have like a

[00:33:35] Top 5 or top 10 of the

[00:33:37] Comment and entrepreneurial pitfalls that you've seen

[00:33:41] Over and over at Fuckup night

[00:33:43] The kind of stories that I like the most

[00:33:47] are the ones that

[00:33:49] are like trying their

[00:33:53] What a one in life really

[00:33:54] life really, you know, that failed in that process because there are a lot of stories

[00:34:02] that I respect a lot but there are more like, I try a business and I failed my business.

[00:34:07] So, and that's it.

[00:34:10] That's the story, yeah.

[00:34:12] It's very difficult and it's super, we appreciate a lot that because it needs a lot of

[00:34:19] vulnerability to share that and everything.

[00:34:21] The ones that I have, that my heart are on, they're ones that, you know, like, they decide

[00:34:27] to go for their passions and things that they love and it fail.

[00:34:34] And because I empathize a lot with that story is because I reflect a lot in that story.

[00:34:41] But also I also sat for me because I reflect on them.

[00:34:46] You know, like I feel like a lot of closeness to them in that way.

[00:34:52] But also have that kind of stories have a lot of like, you know, ups and downs in terms of storytelling

[00:34:59] and that's also exciting because for sure, I'm not playing because they're looking all the time

[00:35:05] and changing and also personal life comes and you know, are very complete stories in that way.

[00:35:12] Yeah, yeah, I kind of imagine that this is a really story arc in those presentations then.

[00:35:17] I can also admit and I just got to ask them, sorry for doing that.

[00:35:21] It must have happened that someone came to you and says, hey, I'm going to do X-FIZEAT

[00:35:25] and with all your expertise and knowledge and how you're like, oh man, this is bang to go wrong.

[00:35:32] I mean, I noticed that you're doing it wrong.

[00:35:35] This has happened and how do you deal with it?

[00:35:37] Do you do you scream at the person and say, no, don't do it or

[00:35:41] I mean, you have to let people make their own mistakes, right?

[00:35:44] Yeah, exactly. Like it's difficult to when you say to your friend like, don't try with that girl

[00:35:50] because he's not going to, you know, well, it's just in feeling because they are exciting about

[00:35:57] their projects, they think they can they have a good idea. Probably they have a good idea.

[00:36:02] I don't know, like depends on the case but or they are super sure that it's going to have work

[00:36:08] because they have the, I don't know, like depends on the context.

[00:36:12] So I just decided to like to make some notes about their projects in the best way possible.

[00:36:19] Like, I think you have to take care of this or I have to be focused on this or be aware of this

[00:36:26] because this is a huge problem right now from my perspective or some of them are different

[00:36:32] because they're like trying a lot and really like shaping the project and they're like shaping

[00:36:38] and changing things in the project wherever and that the elect when they launch, it's not enough

[00:36:43] and I'm not necessarily that browser or whatever. You know, like, they work that much in the

[00:36:48] project that now it's it's not a good for the market, for example, or sometimes it's like go

[00:36:56] and just do it and sometimes it's like try it more and define the product or depends depends.

[00:37:04] But yeah, it happens a lot when I say like, no, this is not going to happen. This will work.

[00:37:09] But I don't have anything. I cannot invest myself on that kind of things because it's

[00:37:15] difficult to have like a good end with the approach or the perfect approach, you know?

[00:37:20] Yeah, they can be 10 people doing that exact thing and they're all failing and then the 11

[00:37:24] person comes to you like, oh my god, exactly. And just by sheer determinism, that person who succeeds,

[00:37:30] you know, and who are you to yeah, so it's to go do this topic, predicting success and failure.

[00:37:36] Is it possible? I don't think so. I don't think so. It's people sometimes like tell me that

[00:37:43] we are like experts in faith, you know, but yeah, I think I'm going to fail somehow. And so even

[00:37:50] when I can at least analyze that I can understand the market, I don't know, like I have

[00:37:59] this failure project for 10 years and I'm going to fail in the future myself. So I don't know if

[00:38:05] that answer the question, but like of course you can like be more informed about everything and

[00:38:11] you can predict somethings, you know? And that's information. It's it's glue in in these cases.

[00:38:17] Yeah, because sometimes as I just said like the same 10 projects fail and 11 success, why,

[00:38:26] you know, how you can predict that? Because I don't know, he markets perfectly. They

[00:38:31] break was perfectly market or I don't know, have a lot of external circumstances.

[00:38:37] Yeah, but what I take away from you and this discussion is that you have to be agile. So always

[00:38:43] like be adapting to environments. But it also means that you have to be open to yourself and say,

[00:38:49] this isn't working and if it isn't working then acknowledge that and share it, share with other

[00:38:55] people to have like that cartages and distinct puts some distance between you and the thing that

[00:39:01] failed so that you can learn from it better and then move on. I think if I have to summarize

[00:39:06] how discussion that that what I take away from it. Totally. Well, restarting this podcast,

[00:39:12] I came upon your latest press release. But for me was all about value of IDs. So this

[00:39:19] press release talked about copycats. Yeah, I mean the idea of the the concept of of

[00:39:24] FACOPNITE is not something that is distinct unique or basically anyone can come up with it and

[00:39:30] turns out that people do. Okay, can you talk a little bit about what the copycats is and also about

[00:39:36] the defendability of IDs that you can have and how you deal with it? It's an interesting topic for

[00:39:42] us and in fact, of nights because we had this quoting and quoting problems from the beginning,

[00:39:50] you know, because it's not a highly a problem. But the idea that we came out in this barbecue

[00:39:57] where we were drunk as we came out with that, yeah, a lot of people have the same experience or

[00:40:03] something similar. And basically, or probably we create the industry of failure or we were

[00:40:11] some of the beginners of that industry, I don't know exactly about. And we are okay with that

[00:40:16] because after we create the concept and then the movement and then the business about it and

[00:40:22] you know, like we want to make industry and we need industry to try it, yeah, because if we don't

[00:40:28] have industry, we are like, you know, one crazy person, like, doing the his own. But if we create

[00:40:36] industry where our group of people and we have a we create a necessity for the market and

[00:40:41] and we show more than a necessity to the world. Basically, they only problem. And because we

[00:40:50] were like, I just say, I got a lot of people know about us, take the idea and use the idea

[00:40:56] to start something similar about failure, could be whatever, whatever, something similar to

[00:41:03] you can name it. Actually, the problem for us came out with when people started using our name

[00:41:09] and how we're doing some of our also graphic designs or even the logo or whatever,

[00:41:17] you know, like the problem that we have with that copycats that are using our

[00:41:22] mirror law and our name is that they're confusing the audience because they are probably saying

[00:41:28] whatever they want to say about failure and about their process of failure and I'm okay with that.

[00:41:34] I'm happy that they have their own process of thinking about failure, but they are using our

[00:41:42] name. They're saying that in our name. So for us, that's actually the reason of the

[00:41:49] privilege and we have other chapters in Austria and other chapters in Germany and we were talking

[00:41:55] as a community, these guys are using the name and the brand without permission and we're

[00:42:02] just because they want to do it and how we manage that, you know, like how with the

[00:42:08] the availability of this and how we defend the brand. The first step that we have with that is

[00:42:14] community also because we are stronger as a community that just one person in Germany or in Austria.

[00:42:23] So yeah, we have our brand registered. We can use that also. We have the registration in

[00:42:31] Germany or in the Austria that are the problems we are having around. So we have a way to

[00:42:38] defend it lily. We don't want lily alphay, so lily alphay worse. We are not going to be more into that.

[00:42:44] We can do it like you know, if we want we can do it but we bet more on the community and

[00:42:51] we love people because we start like that and we are a goodwill or an session and we try to do that.

[00:42:59] Like even way, we are a business. We are we are trying to maintain our essence of be a good

[00:43:05] community and a good group of people trying to change a paradigm about failure. Have you ever

[00:43:11] did you see Falka Plastia going in the future? The most of us are just trying to regrow from

[00:43:17] 300 cities and more and then like try to become bigger and bigger. The only reason because of that is

[00:43:24] we have to keep the concept of Falka Plastia lifestyle in terms of our main purpose is to change

[00:43:32] a paradigm of failure and if we are president more, it is a lesson by more people and if we

[00:43:40] evangelize more people of us failure, that purpose is going to be it's going to became real.

[00:43:47] I would say that our main purpose of Falka Plastia lifestyle is to disappear as an organization.

[00:43:56] Because if we are not needed anymore in the world, it's because we manage to achieve our

[00:44:03] goals. Being in more and more places, more corporations like we work a lot with NGOs,

[00:44:14] like UN or UNICEF, all the global brands around the world. That's interesting because we are

[00:44:22] changing the culture of work inside the corporations that are kind of evil and then you can

[00:44:30] listen to the CEO talking about their failures and being vulnerable. That's something that for us

[00:44:35] is crazy and we went out to more and more. I don't know if the idea has to create a better world in that

[00:44:42] way. I think that's very nice closing of this interview to create a better world.

[00:44:47] It's the paradigm of failure. Carlos, thank you very much for being here with me today,

[00:44:53] sharing your story. I'm pretty sure we're going to see each other again in a future episode

[00:44:58] season 3, 4, 5 because I got a few things out of this where I think this requires a follow-up

[00:45:05] but not for this podcast. Carlos, Falka Plastia, changing the paradigm of failure and when that's

[00:45:12] done, we can close the organization because mission achieved. Exactly. But so far,

[00:45:17] we still got a lot of work ahead of you guys and I wish you a lot of luck with it. Thank you very much.

[00:45:22] Take care, and we're in the petition with a very nice conversation.

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